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Postby druban » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:18 pm

Well, I've done what I could deleting a lot of the spam in the last three days but someone, as Lazur privately predicted, has taken over complete control and changed the password so the other 'shared' moderators are locked out. As of Thursday morning I can no longer log on using Lazur's login to delete the spam.
You know who you are, and I don't see any announcement of such a takeover but maybe that's still coming. I see you have also deleted the long discussion about the forum and what is to happen to it ("How did we get such bad skin?") as well as Brynn's other recent posts and this is probably a tipoff as to who you are to anyone who was following the discussion. I suspect this post might be deleted as well but perhaps someone will read it first...
Try to take care of the forum. I guess MicroUgly still has the ability to step in and fix things, and that's a hope I will hold on to! He last posted here October 2015, so it's not that long ago.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:13 pm

I'm the guilty party, I'm afraid. Druban, I've sent you a PM with my reasons for doing this - without going into detail here, it was done with the best of intentions, and no malice or takeover was intended.

I've sent the new login details to Lazur, and to one of the Inkscape developers. I'll leave it up to Lazur to choose who to send them out to again, and would understand entirely if that doesn't incude me.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Maestral » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:15 am

Did I got it right, Xav - you`re the one who deleted the two mentioned topics?

Why? Why did you waited till today? Could you please share a thought or two on this matter?

p.s.
Since the later topic was originally titled with my name, I`d appreciate to hear your reasons for deletion / now, and not when the first post was posted and what was it in "docmonom" (I`m not sure about the nick of that user) latest post on the same topic?

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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Moini » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:49 am

doctormon / doctormo is Martin Owens, Inkscape developer and Inkscape board member.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:42 am

Maestral wrote:Did I got it right, Xav - you`re the one who deleted the two mentioned topics?


No, I didn't delete the topics. I just reacted to someone else's report of the topics being deleted and accounts being banned.

I did change the shared password, out of fear that the person who had performed those acts might also choose to change it themselves, locking all of us out. As I mentioned, I've sent the new details to Lazur for him to decide what to do with the account from now on.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Maestral » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:52 am

Beg your pardon, I misunderstood your previous posting.

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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:18 pm

It's been a couple of days since I changed the password and sent the new one to Lazur, but I haven't heard anything back from him yet. I have a Yahoo email address for him, but nothing else. Does anyone else have another way to contact him?

In the meantime I've been clearing the spam as best I can, but it can build up very quickly while I'm away from my PC. My apologies to everyone on the forum for any spam that they've had to work around.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby druban » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:58 pm

Hi Xav. Lazur is thinking about how he feels about all this (I'm paraphrasing him a lot) and also will be away for a couple of days or so. Perhaps we can just maintain the status quo, I'll help you delete the spam and perhaps not turn over the access to any more people or lock any one out.
I am already the dictatorial ruler of a small but prosperous country so I think you can count on me not locking you out and taking over.
Please PM me if you need anything or are getting spammed with - well, spam, I guess...
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Postby Xav » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:43 pm

I wondered if that might be the case, but it would have been nice to hear some sort of reply to my emails, even if it was just to say that he's taking a few days to think it over.

If nothing else, it would be good to hear his views on who he thinks is "safe" to receive the new password (and I understand that the list might not include me!), so that I could share it out a little more widely without having to worry that he won't be happy with my decisions.

I had already resolved that, if I haven't heard anything from him by tomorrow, I would send the new password to you (druban), and Maestral (if he's interested), to bulk up the spam cleaning crew a bit. It was never my intention to be the sole bearer of the secret credentials for more than a few hours whilst waiting for Lazur to come online - I certainly don't want to be in this situation three days later!

The other alternative is that I just set the password back to what it was before, but given the recent history of thread deletion and banning, I'm not sure it's a good idea to open access to all again. Perhaps heads have cooled a little and it would be a safe option, but I would rather do so under Lazur's instruction than make that choice myself.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Maestral » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:38 pm

I`ll be glad to participate but please bare in mind that I`ll consider as spam all of the posts spreading the rumors as well.

From my POV, microUgly might has no further interest in personal involving into this forum but since this forum has his relevance on the web, I`ll do my best to maintain it in order.

The revenge of the cleaning lady became quite personal and those who had shown lack of an integrity shall not expect much respect from me.

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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:30 pm

Honestly, I don't want the responsibility of choosing who should be a moderator, and who shouldn't. I've deliberately tried to keep out of the politics and personality clashes, so don't really know enough of the history of anyone else on the site to decide whether or not they are "worthy" of the role. I'd really rather give that choice back to Lazur - it's his account, after all.

Equally, I don't feel that it's my choice as to who should have their posts summarily deleted. I don't really want to become a censor, but equally I don't want to be responsible for creating another. I had suggested your name, Maestral, as I thought you were a bit more level headed and impartial about the disagreements on the forum than you appear to be. Don't take it personally, but based on your previous post I think I'll hold off giving you the password.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Maestral » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:35 pm

Sure thing. That is why I wrote it - to avoid misunderstandings.

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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby druban » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:48 pm

I'm happy to serve the forum in some way, I'm cleaning spam right now because I have the password but I'm okay with giving it up if such is decided. Certainly Maestral is someone I consider a friend and solid as a rock and he has my every confidence in this matter.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:05 pm

Maestral wrote:Sure thing. That is why I wrote it - to avoid misunderstandings.


Thanks for your honesty, I do appreciate it.

druban wrote:I'm happy to serve the forum in some way, I'm cleaning spam right now because I have the password but I'm okay with giving it up if such is decided. Certainly Maestral is someone I consider a friend and solid as a rock and he has my every confidence in this matter.


As your message seems to have been posted while I was sending you a PM with the password, I presume that Lazur has already passed it on to you. Whilst I have no personal issue with Maestral, given his post above I don't think he would be a good choice for the password - by his own admission he would use it to delete posts that he disagrees with (i.e. those he perceives as spreading rumours), not just those that are obvious spam.

It's important to remember that when working with this account we're working in someone else's name. For myself, that means restricting my actions to deleting obvious spam that has no place on the forum - not suppressing people's discussions about the future of the forum itself. I know those discussions have been known to get a bit heated, and there may be a need for a moderator to step in at some point, but doing so under another's account is definitely over-stepping the bounds of "spam cleaner", as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby druban » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:15 pm

I don't think that deleting threads or posts because of content is something I care to do but when people become abusive or even just get carried away in their comments to the point of disrespect locking the thread is a good option - it can always be unlocked later. Another option is to move the thread to a different subforum, i.e. discussions about the future of the forum don't belong in 'Help with Inkscape'.
The other forums that I participate in use this policy with very little complaint. Just FYI as we go forward.
Everyone has some idiosyncrasy in their moderating style, I suspect... Like you, Xav, I feel that it's easy to tell what is spam and to leave more editorial actions to perhaps a joint decision or to Lazur.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Xav » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:35 pm

druban wrote:... locking the thread is a good option - it can always be unlocked later. Another option is to move the thread to a different subforum, i.e. discussions about the future of the forum don't belong in 'Help with Inkscape'.


Just to confirm that we're "singing off the same hymn sheet", I agree with these two statements 100%.
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Maestral » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:17 pm

Spot on.

Still...
My tolerance towards the impudence is very low at this point. Just imagine some guys spreading the flyers "Eat at Joe`s" in any other restaurant and I think you`ll get my POV (where I see my self as a customer "in any other restaurant"). On the other hand, we`re long enough on this forum to remember the situation when frivolous moderation almost resulted with the resignation of one of the most frequent developers here, followed with this whole spectacle with the deleted threads and personalized thread titles and signatures.

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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby druban » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:36 am

Yes, I just mentioned to Xav how much i miss ~suv. Still we've put those sad times behind us and now that Windows development versions are available again I expect this forum to be a bit more active!
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Re: Forum Moderators

Postby Lazur » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:40 am

Just registered here...


have you seen there IS already a capcha field added?
How pleasing!

Now to reattribute all my posts from that other account...

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Postby Lazur URH » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:03 am

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Back in business.


Some random thoughts:

Maestral wrote:Did I got it right, Xav - you`re the one who deleted the two mentioned topics?

Why? Why did you waited till today? Could you please share a thought or two on this matter?

p.s.
Since the later topic was originally titled with my name, I`d appreciate to hear your reasons for deletion / now, and not when the first post was posted and what was it in "docmonom" (I`m not sure about the nick of that user) latest post on the same topic?



Got it archived "to some extent".
Don't think it would worth reuploading it.


Moini wrote:doctormon / doctormo is Martin Owens, Inkscape developer and Inkscape board member.


And as such, on the opposite side of this site to some extent.
As the "already moving time", "trying taking it down", and the purpose of the "comittee" goes.
Is that a good thing letting in a """trojan horse"""?
Well at least now the developers can have an insight of things an official forum WILL face as well once it grows as big...


Xav wrote:I just reacted to someone else's report of the topics being deleted and accounts being banned.

I did change the shared password, out of fear that the person who had performed those acts might also choose to change it themselves, locking all of us out. As I mentioned, I've sent the new details to Lazur for him to decide what to do with the account from now on.


Let's name the things:

Esper banned Brynn who reached Xav to take over before Esper would lock out everyone else...
Brynn got unbanned -as the original moderating functions can enable it, unlike the "one click ban" feature all moderators miss...-
and Xav changed the password.

Brynn already confirmed of not posting here under any circumstances, restricting herself to pm-s.
Of which it seemed there wasn't much interest, of a previous pm.


Maestral wrote:I`ll be glad to participate but please bare in mind that I`ll consider as spam all of the posts spreading the rumors as well.

From my POV, microUgly might has no further interest in personal involving into this forum but since this forum has his relevance on the web, I`ll do my best to maintain it in order.

The revenge of the cleaning lady became quite personal and those who had shown lack of an integrity shall not expect much respect from me.



The reason why Brynn got banned was the signature containing such "rumour" or something similar.
Doesn't really matter.



FACT:
microUgly got updated the hosting for another year AND added a capcha field for registrating.
That means he is still interested in, sort of.
Another fact is that the moderating as currently goes, is unreasonably too much.
You can look it up, microUgly somewhere announced changing back the first posts approval system since he was the only one accepting them at the time, which resulted in weekly latency, and as a result, the "helpdesking" to have no purpose.
Hit and run newbies couldn't profit from that.

Instead, we get all spam without confirmation.
After he chose me to moderate the system could be changed back immediately to the first post approval one.
THAT is a feature largely missed.
Secondly, one click banning. As the spam can come through even the capcha field, that was the only choice handling spam/spammers effectively.
Since the latest forum update of the phpbb board, that custom feature is gone.
Thirdly, as these two we already missing largely, to do the unreasonably large job, there NEEDS to be more moderators.

  • first posts approval
  • one click ban
  • more moderators


The approval system may have a personal reason/policy.
Don't ask me, it was working before...
The second feature was a custom one, would need to be rewritten -if possible. If interested...


More moderators.
Let's face it: microUgly can add moderating rights to anyone at anytime.
My guess is he can still be reached even if not responding, you could get the rights.
But who would be good enough for that?


Xav wrote:Honestly, I don't want the responsibility of choosing who should be a moderator, and who shouldn't. I've deliberately tried to keep out of the politics and personality clashes, so don't really know enough of the history of anyone else on the site to decide whether or not they are "worthy" of the role. I'd really rather give that choice back to Lazur - it's his account, after all.

Equally, I don't feel that it's my choice as to who should have their posts summarily deleted. I don't really want to become a censor, but equally I don't want to be responsible for creating another. I had suggested your name, Maestral, as I thought you were a bit more level headed and impartial about the disagreements on the forum than you appear to be. Don't take it personally, but based on your previous post I think I'll hold off giving you the password.



Got my "new" account up.
Took a few days but could outsource the posts unrelated to moderating...
Since I don't want the blame for all the personal conflicts and associated in taking part of them.
Had shared my profile's access to everyone with good will. Risking myself getting "locked out".
Access to every post, right of writing posts with this profile -and as such associated with all the previous posts too-, reading pm-s and my mail adress.
Guess who could do the same -all the previous moderators who are long gone and Brynn, who got fed up with it two years ago.
Still, after getting banned -after saying good bye-, pulling the strings?
Let that remain a rhetorical question.
Everyone have their reasons.




Regarding access to the profile's pm-s,
please Xav read what comes in and goes out next time.
"Shared profile" in the means you can also receive pm-s as a moderator.
Sent a reply to Druban with the details on Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:43 am.



Edit:

On the "rumours":
the forum is lacking admin guidance since a very long time.
It is peaking now, but things got this worse at the last forum update to the extent that moderating is a hassle.
Was mentioned before to stop any moderating if it is a hassle,
so its just our hardly reasonable connection to this forum or the lack of urge to move on.
Personally speaking I don't think any inkscape dev or committe member could be blamed for trying to restart a forum from scratch
as there was/is still the possibility of our admin to act.

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Re: forum moderating

Postby druban » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:32 pm

My thoughts exactly, Lazur. MicroUgly wants the forum to keep on, somebody who wants to end the forum seems an unreasonable choice for a moderator, glad you're back in business, why didn't the zombies ever figure out that protective headgear would be a great idea.
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Re: forum moderating

Postby Xav » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:01 pm

Lazur URH wrote:
Moini wrote:doctormon / doctormo is Martin Owens, Inkscape developer and Inkscape board member.


And as such, on the opposite side of this site to some extent.


I'm not sure it's fair to categorise an Inkscape board member and dev as being "on the opposite side". As I understand it the Inkscape board would be more than happy to continue with this site as the "official" forum if MicroUgly was still active and replying to attempts to contact him, or if he had passed on more control to someone else (i.e. blessed someone else with full admin rights).

Lazur URH wrote:Let's name the things:

Esper banned Brynn who reached Xav to take over before Esper would lock out everyone else...
Brynn got unbanned -as the original moderating functions can enable it, unlike the "one click ban" feature all moderators miss...-
and Xav changed the password.


Yes, Brynn sent me an email. After that it was all on me.

I first checked the moderator logs and found that three members had been banned, and two threads completely deleted. None of the changes had associated messages to indicate the reason for the ban or deletion. In my view, banning a fly-by spammer or deleting a spam thread doesn't require a message. But banning long-term members of the site, and deleting threads with contributions from many people on the site, should have at least warranted a brief reason.

For that matter I would argue that locking the thread or, if absolutely necessary, deleting or editing specific posts, would have been a better option than deleting whole threads.

So it appeared to me that Esper was acting irrationally and abusing the shared account. This, I felt, came with a real danger that the shared account could be locked out, so I took a precautionary step of changing the password to prevent that. It was not an attempt to "take over".

Then I immediately contacted you, Lazur, and sent you the new password as soon as I had some confirmation that the email address I had was yours. This is not the action of someone trying to "take over" the account.

I did also send the new password to Martin Owens, not for him to use but because I didn't want to be the only person holding onto it, in case something were to happen to me. Again, this is not the action if someone trying to "take over" the account.


I did also un-ban the three accounts in question. Had there been a reason given for the banning, I might not have done so. But at the time it just looked like they'd been banned as an overreaction or out of spite.


Lazur URH wrote:The reason why Brynn got banned was the signature containing such "rumour" or something similar.
Doesn't really matter.


I haven't seen the signature in question, so I can't comment on whether or not it warranted banning someone. Had that reason been put in the ban comments, I might have sought additional input before un-banning the account. I can only presume that the other two accounts had similar signatures.


Lazur URH wrote:Regarding access to the profile's pm-s,
please Xav read what comes in and goes out next time.
"Shared profile" in the means you can also receive pm-s as a moderator.


I'm not sure what you mean by this paragraph, can you elaborate.


For what it's worth, my view is that I would prefer to continue with this site if MicroUgly were to either play a more active role, or bless someone else with admin rights. Better still would be both options, so that there's a back-up person who can administrate the site (and ideally take database backups, upgrade the software, etc.). Without that the site continues to suck up too much time moderating spam, and may just stop working one day if MicroUgly doesn't keep up with updates.

I don't think moving to InkscapeCommunity is the right thing to do (I don't even have an account there). However if it were to be endorsed as the new "official" forum, I would accept it.

I do think something needs to be done for the long term health of the Inkscape brand, and to be able to support users. An orderly transition of ownership of this site from MicroUgly to the Inkscape project (i.e. the board) would, I believe, be the best option. Failing that, however, I can see little choice but to start a new forum.
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Re: forum moderating

Postby Espermaschine » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:26 am

I did not read the forum for a week and i am no longer affiliated with this community, but seeing this thread makes me think that some people still dont get it.

So brynn sent Xav an email, telling him that i might lock everybody out.
That made him take over the forum.

Lol, what a joke.

First of all: why does she care ??
Brynn, hurt by the the beef with Maestral, said she left this forum for ever in her goodbye thread.
Still she keeps coming back and pulling the strings on everybody…

She has her own forum.
The developers even made her the leader of the future offical forum.
She and Moini tricked a good portion of our regulars into finally joining IC, by spreading the rumour IF will go down any minute.

And she has done that for a very long time.

I had no intention of taking over this forum or locking everybody out. Why would i ?
Also im not acting irrational. Quite the opposite.
Im passionate, idealistic and yes, very angry about all the bullshit going on !
But irrational ? Not so much.

Heres what really happened:
When i was still new to IC, i sent brynn a PM and she told me that she resigned from being a moderator and why she set up her so called reserve forum.
Of course she also told me her little fantasy story about microugly being a very evil man.

I believed her and because i was frustrated about the state of the forum, we exchanged more PM's what could be done to improve it. It seemed brynn was a very friendly and enthusiastic woman.

So later i offered her my help, started the hipster challenge thread and with my permission she added a copy of that thread on her personal forum.
The thread wasnt a success, despite Lazur and me doing a splendid job.
On the other hand, brynn's input was far from splendid.
She did a horrible clueless copy-paste job,what was supposed to be the introduction to the challenge thread.
As usual brynn has no clue what is going on outside her world and wrote a mini essay on how she doesnt know (you noticed how she always does that ?).

Then she added her own contribution to the Hipster challenge, which was basically something even a five year old could have done in ten minutes (look it up!).

Apparently she had no interest into putting any effort into that thread.

Much later i asked her to clean up the thread, maybe clarifying the introductionary post, but she wouldnt have it, stating she doesnt „believe in editing threads“.

We exchanged some more PM's but it was going in circles and it became clear to me that brynn is incapable of being the change she wants to see.

I let that all go, trying not to be mad about it and maintaining a somewhat neutral position to brynn.

Fast forward and Moini appears on the scene.

Then the „bad skin“ thread happened, and for a while it seemed we could make a change, leave IF behind us and migrate to IC to solve the spam situation.
But again, although it was brynn's biggest wish to give all posters a new home, she was scared to take any actions that would make her look bad. So nothing came out of it.
Meanwhile Lazur deleted hundreds of spam posts every day, and a lot of people didnt nice how bad it was.
Brynn said she can not expect Lazur to do this and claimed she will help him with the spam.
To my knowledge, nobody except me has ever reported a single spam thread.

I began to suspect that something is not right here.

When i later asked brynn in that 'skin thread' if she was made to resign from her mod duties she responded with indignation and stated that she will no longer reply to that thread.
That changed very quickly when Moini came up with the idea for an official forum made for everybody by the developers. She asked to be involved although she obviously is incapable of getting her own forum together.

But again, things didnt go very well.
Weeks were wasted by the developers waiting for a reply by microugly.

Then Lazur asked me to take over deleting spam for a few days. A few days became a week and i realized what a gigantic burden it is.
Lazur also asked me to join the board meeting of the developers.
So i did.
Which was dismal (as Tav said).
There were like three people, plus brynn and me.
Nobody else was there. Not Xav, not Moini or anybody from IF !
The usual indifference.
It became clear very quickly, this meeting was going nowhere and the developers had hardly any interest in the matter.
So it was decided that brynn will take over and most of my statements ignored.

I also realized this community is absolutely useless, because the user base suffers from apathy.
Something i told the developers, but brynn quickly brushed over it, stating that this is not true (for obvious reasons – they just made her the new forum leader)

So now that brynn was the offical new leader of a new forum that isnt even there yet, started, with the help of Moini, to force the migration to IC.
All of a sudden people began to move. One by one, starting with Dillerkind.

In one of my PM chats, brynn told me she doesnt like Dillekrind's art for being too revealing and sexist, yet when he started a new thread on her forum, she told him, that she is very happy he joined and his art will make her forum pretty.

Next the drama with Maestral happened. And it became clear that apparently brynn does this all the time: she encourages people to do something for her, and then let them down.
I joined that thread because brynn had sent me yet another PM, although she very well knows, that i have disabled PM's. So basically she abused her nether state of being an ex mod with mod rights, to spam me with her scheme.

This thread lead to brynn creating her goodbye thread stating that she will never come back ever !

Meanwhile it also became clear, that not all people will migrate to IC, but some want to keep the faith and maintain IF. Which is an unfortunate situation for brynn, because obviously she wants the veterans for her forum.

It was also revealed that micro apparently has no intention of letting the forum go into the void, and i suspect that is just a story brynn tells.

Next Lazur shares his account with more people to maintain the spam deletion, well knowing that this could going wrong easily.
I still deleted the occasional spam post here and there.

Then a week ago (nighttime in europe), i saw brynn online. A few hours later again.
So she left the forum for ever, but she keeps coming back. Why ?
She also has moderator rights and was obviously very upset und hurt.

Next a new user registers and post in the „cherry“ thread. Its doctormon (a developer from the boardmeeting), and he adresses me directly, asking me if i wish for a mediation with brynn.

That crossed the line for me. Not only does a developer turn up after years of ignorance, at a point in time when the forum has already gone up in flames and left a split community in chaos.
But he also acts like this is all because of a problem between brynn and me and solving that beef would change everything.
Also, how does he know all of a sudden ? Surely because brynn told him….
And why are they interested in solving the situation ? Probably because im the most active poster and she wants me for her new forum.
Because without active users, that new forum will be just as shit as the old one !

So i deleted the post and banned him.
They took no interest in our affairs, surely they are not needed now !

Then i decided: this thing has to stop once and for all.
These beef threads (interestingly all started by brynn) have achieved nothing but poisoning the community and hurting everyones feelings.

So i deleted them, banned brynn and Moni.
Why did i do that ?
Because they are traitors and left the forum.
My thinking was: lets make the split „official“.
Moini and brynn have their forum, while IC is maintained by the remaining faithful users. And actually i believe IC will die sooner or later anyway.

Fast forward one week and brynn has pulled her strings once again, spreading lies.
This time manipulating Xav.

This has to stop !

Unbanning brynn was the dumbest thing one could do.
She left. For ever.
She doesnt need an account. Especially when this account has mod rights.

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Re: forum moderating

Postby Xav » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:43 am

In reference to the points made against me:

Espermaschine wrote:So brynn sent Xav an email, telling him that i might lock everybody out.
That made him take over the forum.


Yes, Brynn sent me an email. As I said above, after that the decision was mine. I didn't take Brynn's word for it, but rather I checked the logs and looked for some evidence or reason as to why the threads had been deleted and the users banned.

I didn't intend to "take over the forum". I sent an email to Lazur immediately, and followed up with the new password as soon as I was able to confirm his email address (just a few minutes later). I fully expected him to change it again, and probably to not give me the new password, and have stated several times that I would be fine with that.

Espermaschine wrote:I had no intention of taking over this forum or locking everybody out. Why would i ?
Also im not acting irrational. Quite the opposite.


Maybe you weren't acting irrationally, but to a third party observer it wasn't clear that was the case. You left no reasons or indication as to why threads had been deleted and people banned. With no evidence to support your actions, I concluded that the safest option was to assume the worst and try to protect the forum.

Espermaschine wrote:Lazur also asked me to join the board meeting of the developers.
So i did.
Which was dismal (as Tav said).
There were like three people, plus brynn and me.
Nobody else was there. Not Xav, not Moini or anybody from IF !
The usual indifference.


The first I knew about this meeting was when Brynn sent a link to the minutes. Had I known about it then I may have joined the meeting. Not being aware of it at all doesn't make me indifferent.

Espermaschine wrote:Fast forward one week and brynn has pulled her strings once again, spreading lies.
This time manipulating Xav.


Yes, Brynn made me aware of a particular situation, but she did not manipulate me. If she were manipulating me then I would have un-banned her (and maybe banned you) without any further investigation. Instead I took a cynical approach to her report, and only took the steps I did once I had investigated further and concluded that there was a potential threat to the shared account.


You clearly have issues with Brynn and Moini (and they probably have issues with you). That, in my opinion, makes you precisely the worst person to ban them. If there was a good reason for banning them it should have been raised with someone a bit more independent. Your actions were one of judge, jury and executioner combined. If the tables had been turned and Brynn had banned your account, I would have un-banned that for exactly the same reason.
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Re: forum moderating

Postby Maestral » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:48 am

Guys, please. We`ve gathered here around Inkscape.
Also, have I not declared my self clear enough ,)

As I see this, forum enables us to share our experience and to provide help for less proficient users. Anything aside of that I see as ridiculous.
Well, not quite anything. In the early days I`ve tried to initiate some sort of joint endevours of forum members but that didn`t went well. I don`t see it as apathy but more like limited attention towards this forum. Still, due to the web traffic of this forum, it does seams reasonable to participate. If any of you have some advice on how to return "the favor" to the IS`s developers team, better than participation on this forum, I`m all ears.

Things became a bit more serious when someone introduced IS`s branding and legal issues into the current events. I don`t know about you guys, but I have some experience in branding and AFAIKT, research is the mother of any well conducted branding. So, just name the occupation that you know the least about and than try to figure out how to improve it ,) That`s how seriously someone approached to this forum, recent events and how far did that one went with the plan of the possible branding improvements. Shall we do something about it? Well, I would if asked, but not on my own.

I`ll presume that you are aware now why do I lack much of understanding and tolerance towards any other promotion except for IS and dev team. And to be honest, I`m pretty close to turn this whole thing into some sort of comic or animation. There is so many colorful characters, plots and turns - so I thought, it might also contribute to improve the whole thing? ,)


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