Video tutorial on how to make a sign

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Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:25 am

I just made this Inkscape beginners tutorial on how to make a sign. This is my first attempt at a video tutorial. Any feedback would be appreciated.
https://youtu.be/1uEfng3MZwA

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby brynn » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:51 pm

Curious why you're not using the current stable version (0.92)?

For a beginner tutorial, I would have the canvas set up to View menu > Default. Rather that switch between the docked dialogs, I would open from either a menu, or a command bar button, so a beginner knows where to find them. Or else, explain how you set up the docking area.

A lot of fancy video effects in there. To me, they're a bit distracting....but heck, I'm old. Probably the captions are going by too fast. I can follow, because I know Inkscape pretty well. But I still had to stop and rewind a few times. A newbie would need it slower.

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:58 pm

Hi Brynn,

Thank you for your reply! You make some good points. I will make some changes accordingly. I was a bit insecure about how fast I should run the captions. Will slow them down a bit. Maybe I will tone down the effects too, we'll see... Also I will change to default view. My goal is to make it as understandable as possible for a novice, have no feedback from any newbies yet.

Curious why you're not using the current stable version (0.92)?

The reason I was using 0.91 and not 0.92 is because of a bug (I think) in the line style handling. If you combine different font-sizes it will mess up the spacing between lines. Hopefully this will be corrected soon. Come to think about it, I should clearify that in or under the video...

Thanks again for your feedback!

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby brynn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:03 am

Yes, if you use text a lot in Inkscape, that bug would be a problem. It's not fixed yet.

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby Moini » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:30 am

You sure that's a bug and not just a confusing new user interface? (which qualifies as a bug itself, true...)
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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby brynn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:55 am

I thought he was describing the line height issue, which is indicated near the bottom of the download page as a known issue. But truly, it's hard to say, without more detailed info.

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:54 am

Thank you for your interest guys.

Here is a picture of the difference in default text rendering between 0.91 and 0.92. Is it supposed to be like that?

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby Moini » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:00 am

Can you share a file, please? Was the file originally created with 0.92 or 0.91? And - which 0.92 are you using? The current one, 0.92.2?
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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:33 am

Moini wrote:Can you share a file, please? Was the file originally created with 0.92 or 0.91? And - which 0.92 are you using? The current one, 0.92.2?

Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Yes, I am using the most recent version 0.92.2, that image was a construction. Here are direct links to two SVG sample-files I just created in each version of Inkscape. File names corresponds to the Inkscape version of its origin.
http://3dnett.no/nedlastinger/Text-0.91.svg
http://3dnett.no/nedlastinger/Text-0.92.2.svg

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby Moini » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:29 am

They already look different in a browser. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean that a single file looks different if opened with different Inkscape versions?
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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:27 am

The two different versions of Inkscape produce different text with same settings for fonts, line height etc. I work as a sign maker/sign designer. Often you will need to squeeze in as much info as possible on an limited amount of space. A massive white-space between the lines when you combine different font-sizes is unwanted. Of course, if you break the text apart you can distribute the lines with equal amount of space, but that is time consuming. I really hope this is a bug(I think so) and not a feature... For me though it's not critical as I mostly use Corel at work, but I guess for many other it might be frustrating.

Thanks btw, for taking an interest in this.

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby tylerdurden » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:03 am

Have a nice day.

I'm using Inkscape 0.92.2 (5c3e80d, 2017-08-06), 64 bit win8.1

The Inkscape manual has lots of helpful info! http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:56 pm

tylerdurden wrote:Maybe you have seen this:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php ... ne_Spacing


Thank you! This was helpful. So it's not a bug then.. A bit confusing at first, but I guess in the end it gives you better control. I figured that if you set the style of the Outermost text element to the smallest font in use you'll get similar result as in the pre-0.92 versions.

(Bad news for me is that, now I should probably have done the tutorial over again with the 0.92 version of Inkscape)

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby Moini » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:04 am

The user interface will be changed in Inkscape 0.93 (it will offer some useful presets - although, admittedly, I haven't been able to make them work as expected yet...).
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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby 3dnett » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:10 am

That's exciting news. Those presets will probably come in handy. It's frustrating when code don't behave as expected, I hope you'll get it working right eventually. I'm greatful for all the hard work you and others put in to make this amazing software. I often switch over to Inkscape at work because it can do stuff that Corel can't do without add-ons.

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Re: Video tutorial on how to make a sign

Postby Moini » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:07 am

Oh, I mean that, as a user, I haven't been able to make them work like I think they were intended by the developer. I hope that Tavmjong Bah, who worked on it, will still improve it.
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