Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

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Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby moorrona » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:34 am

Windows 10
Inkscape 0.92.4 (5da689c313, 2019-01-14)

I'm importing PDF vector artwork, the text seems to import exactly the way it is shown in the original document.

However; when I edit a string of that text everything related to the formatting of that string of text changes drastically (font, spacing, height, etc.).

Is this the norm or is there something I can do to remedy the situation?

Before and after simple edit attached (I just added a space to the end).

Notice is this example it automatically changed the font style and many of the other settings.

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Ronnie Moore
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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby brynn » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:40 am

Do you have the same font which is used in the PDF, installed on your computer? If not, you won't be able to edit the text, and keep the same font. Inkscape will choose whatever it thinks is the closest font, from what you have installed. That's the general rule.

However, I notice you had checked "Replace PDF fonts by closest named installed font". I never have been sure exactly what that means. Does anyone else know? Is there a certain kind of font called "PDF Fonts"? Or does that mean 'replace all the fonts in this file with closest named'?

If it means what I think, (the latter) Inkscape already replaced the fonts with something that you have installed. If that's the case, then maybe you just didn't have the right font selected, when you edited?

It looks like the text you edited is sans serif font, while the original is Helvetica "Something" (too small to read).

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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby moorrona » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:59 am

Not sure if I have the exact same font installed that is used in the PDF. That puzzles me though, if I do NOT have the exact font how or what does the import routine \ Inkscape use to create the image \ data? I do NOT edit the text and the export utility is also able to replicate the original text (installed or not). So do we have some temporary kind of magic going on as long as you do not edit?

As far as the "Replace PDF fonts by closest named installed font" option, I have not experimented with it and assume it was just selected by default.

I thought or assumed when you selected a string of text to edit that its current defined font style is used. Are you insinuating that if you select a different font before editing a string of text that the font style will be changed?

Just FYI, I do not know the original font name but once imported into Inkscape it is listed as HelveticaNeueLt Std, 8.50 pt and it has a red line thru it which I assumes means it is not installed on my computer. And in this example, once I edit it is automatically changed to sans-serif, 30.00 pt. Not sure why it automatically select that font and or changes the size from an 8.5 pt to a 30 pt.

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Just FYI, I do have a font already installed called "Helvetica Neue Lt Std" opposed to the original "HelveticaNeueLt Std" but apparently the auto replace option does not select \ choose it.
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Thanks for the feedback thou.
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Ronnie Moore

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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby Moini » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:53 am

PDFs can have fonts embedded... I don't know how Inkscape handles that transfer.
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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby brynn » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:20 pm

Hhmm, based on the responses from Moini and Ronnie, I would have to consult the developers to find out exactly what "Replace PDF fonts by closest named" means.

Since the new RocketChat seems active lately, maybe I'll try that. I'll post back shortly.

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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby brynn » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:32 pm

Well, I got a fast response! Which is good, because I have to log off shortly.

They suggested that maybe there was no "closest named" font available. So there was nothing replaced. And they said, maybe you could install that font. Then you'd be able to edit the text.

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Re: Import PDF Text - Strange Changes When Editted

Postby Moini » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:59 pm

I think Helvetica Neue is proprietary, so it will cost money.
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